My mum is a woman of endless talent. Actor, illustrator, director, writer, teacher, master of all accents, the most wonderful storyteller, the list goes on. After beginning her career as a child actor, she went to Guildhall School of Music and Drama and graduated in 1991. She married my dad in 1998 and at the same time became stepmother to my older sister who was then seven. A year later she gave birth to me, and in 2004 to my younger sister whereupon we all upped sticks and moved to Spain where my dad was then working, and she found herself embarking on a new chapter of her life, one in which her career as an actor jostled for position alongside her role as mum. After having interviewed so many interesting women on the podcast and for this blog, it seemed obvious that she should be my next interviewee. Having gone home when lock-down was relaxed, I managed to find a moment to sit with her over a cup of tea and talk about her experiences.
It wouldn’t be particularly ground-breaking for me to say that women find it harder than men to pursue their careers when they choose to have children. My mum was no exception and for a very long time I have wondered how she went about restructuring her career with young children in a new country, where not only was she a new mum once more, but the language barrier and lack of opportunities for an English actor in Spain could not have been a cause for optimism. In order to piece together her experiences, I asked her to take me back to the beginning.
When did you decide to become an actress?
It was some time after I had abandoned the idea of being a long-distance lorry driver. When I was five I figured there couldn’t be any better job than driving miles and miles and miles and getting paid for it. When I was about eight, and after a few school plays, I started to think about making my own theatre and writing stories. I was an avid reader and one of my favourite books was the Wizard of Oz. I remember sitting in the bathroom planning out an entire theatre production of the book, only to get stumped on how to recreate the Emerald city, which is where, I think, the plan stalled.
Why did acting become the thing you wanted to do?
To my young mind acting seemed to be the simplest way to go about making a piece of theatre happen. I also don’t think I truly fully understood the role of a director at that time. The lack of female role models I met in the industry as a young actor might also have been a contributing factor.
When you were growing up, do you think you were aware of gender inequality and differences in opportunities for men and women?
My mum had been a newspaper reporter, and my dad had created his own work as an artist and maker. I grew up believing that if you worked hard at a particular craft, whatever it was, chances were, you could make a success of it, regardless of gender. It was only in my early twenties that I had an awakening, began to swallow up books by Gloria Steinem, feel more keenly the inadequacies in the roles available to women actors, and started to educate myself.
You did lots of acting as a child. What was that like?
My brother and I belonged to a local kids drama club called Hill O’ Beans Theatre Company, and we put on productions of Shakespeare and did outreach theatre productions in the local community. When I was twelve and my brother was seven, there was an advert in the local paper from a children’s agent called Stella Greenfield who was based in North London. Mum wrote to her, we went up for an interview, and she put us onto her books. I got a decent sized part in a BBC TV series called Bleak House and worked from the age of 13 on television and radio until the time I went to drama school. I remember being on my first job, on location in full costume, at 5 am on a freezing November day, with a grown up cup of coffee and a hand warmer in my pocket, about to film the next scene, and thinking that if I could spend the rest of my life acting, and hanging around on a film set, I couldn’t be happier.
Did you notice gender inequality or bias within the theatre industry when you went to drama school and after?
As an actor, particularly when you start out, the competition for work is so tough you are so thrilled that you have a job, you often don’t consider those things. However, it becomes quite obvious, quite quickly, especially at drama school when you are largely working on classical plays, that the ratio of parts that are written for women and men is vastly uneven. Bristol Old Vic Theatre school had a policy, when I was at Guildhall where they took a smaller percentage of female actors to male actors based on the ratio of the work that was likely to be available to them. Things have changed a great deal since then, and there are many more female writers writing parts for women, but it’s still not exactly balanced.
Did you feel as though the roles you were getting were all very similar?
I transitioned from the ingenue, to the slightly eccentric sister, to the unhappy young wife, to the unmarried older woman who had an axe to grind, (normally with a younger female character). You could say that a pattern was emerging (!) that supported a set of classical female stereotypes.
When you got married, what did you think about in terms of your career?
My life as a solo actor typically involved a tour in a different city every week, disappearing for a week or two to filming, and going for auditions with only a few hours warning. Actors have to be fairly self-focused and inward looking as a way of staying ahead of the pack and as part of their commitment to continuously improve their craft. Once you have children you become very quickly aware of the world outside your ego, and you embark on a different kind of self-development. Finding a way to work as part of a new ‘team’ with largely different disciplines and still be creative is not easy, but when you succeed it is both rewarding and liberating.
When you fell pregnant for the first time, how did you keep going with acting?
When I was four months pregnant with you, I did a film called Esther Kahn with the French director Arnaud Desplechin. I was in a corset and after every shot a very wonderful wardrobe lady unlaced me in between each take, allowing both of us to breath comfortably for as long as possible before the director called ‘Action!’ Later on, that same year I was in a rehearsed reading of a play about Suffragettes at the Duke of York’s theatre, and at that time very obviously pregnant. The thing I remember most was needing to go to the loo because of the pressure on my bladder and having to hold out because the cast were on stage throughout the whole play. I didn’t ever consider not acting, only how to adjust and find a way to balance it with being a mum.
What about when I was born?
When I went up to London for castings I’d call a friend and we’d meet somewhere near the venue, and I’d hand you over to them like contraband goods, with a blanket, a picture book and a bottle of expressed milk. You were five months old, and because I was spectacularly unsuccessful in expressing milk there would only be a centimetre or so which you would then refuse to drink, and I would rush the audition to get it over as quickly as possible to get back to you for a feed. When there was no one on hand to look after you, I tried a tactic I had observed with other actress mums who would hand their child to the receptionist at the desk whilst they went in to the casting. The first time I attempted this was also the last. From the moment I put you in the receptionist’s arms, to the moment I started walking towards the taping room you howled. After three minutes the director said, “I don’t think this is going to work is it?” and I said “No. Sorry!” and left the room to scoop you up. How great would it have been if he had said, “Do you want to go and find someone to look after your baby and come back later, or when she’s asleep?”
We moved to Spain because of dad’s job. When you made the decision, would you consider this a sacrifice you made?
In my head, the opportunity to go to Spain was a bit like being the mum in My Family and other Animals, and I was ready to embrace an adventure. I wouldn’t say that I sacrificed my acting career to become a mother, but I would say that I reduced the amount of opportunities that might have come from being more readily available. However, I had only tentatively directed before moving to Spain and might never have pursued it as an option if I hadn’t been in a new country and as a consequence needed to be prepared to try new things. My first ever production, in a small theatre in Valencia was a lightbulb moment. As a director I discovered I could be creative without any of the constraints I felt as an actor. Maybe all that production planning as an eight-year old was finally being put to use.
I remember being off school when I was unwell and going and sitting in the theatre seats, watching you direct that play La Lupe. Now that you’re back in England, and have been for the last 10 years, what do you think lies ahead for you?
One actor I worked with described acting as cultivating the skin of a rhinoceros with the soul of a butterfly and I think that he offers a very apt analogy. I have slightly tougher skin and am still very much motivated to create artistic work, and I now feel a greater sense of autonomy. Directing and producing my own work, and the work of other writers and performers I work closely with, feels like a good place to be. The irony is that I probably had access to those sorts of opportunities all along but allowed myself to get stuck in the actor’s trap of finding an agent, waiting for a phone call, going for a casting, getting the job/not getting the job, waiting for a phone call. Directors are enablers of both the work of the actor and that of the writer. No matter how rewarded you can feel as an actor working on a good production, you never have the same degree of artistic freedom that is afforded to you as a director.
Finally, what is it about acting that you love so much?
Acting is physical, psychological, emotional and all encompassing. It’s hard for me to select one thing I love about it over any other, but maybe the sense of family in the theatre comes close, and the companionship engendered by working cheek by jowl with other actors in an often high stakes environment, is as liberating as it is exhilarating. To be paid to experience the depth and variety of human nature and utilise it to entertain and move hundreds of people is pretty unique. Then there is the discipline of working for weeks on a moment that might last seconds in performance but can shift the direction of the play in an instant, and the palpable feeling you get from sensing how the audience are going along with the story. When you’ve worked on a bit of slapstick or a moment or a line, and the audience laugh, sometimes until their stomachs are hurting and tears are rolling down their face, that immediacy of response is very gratifying. If there is one thing that I would say I get from being an actor, that I don’t get from being a director, it’s that. The feeling you are somehow holding the energy of that vast velvet seated room in your hands – that’s very powerful.
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